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	<title>Comments on: Why We Need a New History of Exploration</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Robinson</title>
		<link>http://timetoeatthedogs.com/2009/10/15/why-we-need-a-new-history-of-exploration/#comment-746</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Robinson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Tom,

I know your article well. I really enjoyed it, especially the harrowing business of dealing with barometers on mountains. I gave a talk a couple of years ago about scientific surveys of the Appalachians - in particular the work of Arnold Guyot of Princeton. I&#039;m still amazed that he got such good altitude measurements hacking his way through the brush day after day. I don&#039;t know about any secondary work that looks at Fremont-Humboldt specifically. My hunch is that Aaron might know more- Laura&#039;s new work is on Cosmos which might be too late for this- I&#039;m not sure how early she goes. The other person you might want to try talking to is Susan Schulten at University of Denver. Her latest work involves Humboldt and takes her earlier into the 19th century.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom,</p>
<p>I know your article well. I really enjoyed it, especially the harrowing business of dealing with barometers on mountains. I gave a talk a couple of years ago about scientific surveys of the Appalachians &#8211; in particular the work of Arnold Guyot of Princeton. I&#8217;m still amazed that he got such good altitude measurements hacking his way through the brush day after day. I don&#8217;t know about any secondary work that looks at Fremont-Humboldt specifically. My hunch is that Aaron might know more- Laura&#8217;s new work is on Cosmos which might be too late for this- I&#8217;m not sure how early she goes. The other person you might want to try talking to is Susan Schulten at University of Denver. Her latest work involves Humboldt and takes her earlier into the 19th century.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Rea</title>
		<link>http://timetoeatthedogs.com/2009/10/15/why-we-need-a-new-history-of-exploration/#comment-745</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Rea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 04:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fresh from reading The Humboldt Current by Aaron Sachs I found your good article today and like it very much, especially your critique of manned space flight as being more about pride than science.

Do you know any scholarship that takes up Fremont-Humboldt connections? I wrote at some length about Fremont a few years ago (see, e.g. Common-place 4:4, &quot;The Pathfinder&#039;s Lost Instruments&quot;) but knew nearly nothing then about Humboldt. Perhaps the Laura Walls book touches on this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fresh from reading The Humboldt Current by Aaron Sachs I found your good article today and like it very much, especially your critique of manned space flight as being more about pride than science.</p>
<p>Do you know any scholarship that takes up Fremont-Humboldt connections? I wrote at some length about Fremont a few years ago (see, e.g. Common-place 4:4, &#8220;The Pathfinder&#8217;s Lost Instruments&#8221;) but knew nearly nothing then about Humboldt. Perhaps the Laura Walls book touches on this?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Clements</title>
		<link>http://timetoeatthedogs.com/2009/10/15/why-we-need-a-new-history-of-exploration/#comment-742</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil Clements]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 06:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am visiting some archaeological sites on that weekend in Arizona, so there is a good chance my wife and I will stop by for a day.

I&#039;ve never been, before. Are there mixers in the evenings after the panels?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am visiting some archaeological sites on that weekend in Arizona, so there is a good chance my wife and I will stop by for a day.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never been, before. Are there mixers in the evenings after the panels?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Robinson</title>
		<link>http://timetoeatthedogs.com/2009/10/15/why-we-need-a-new-history-of-exploration/#comment-741</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Robinson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Phil: interesting points! I knew that Fremont was a big Humboldt fan, and that Muir and King both took on aspects of a Humboldtian ethos, but I didn&#039;t know the links were so broad and deep. Will you be coming to HSS in Phoenix?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil: interesting points! I knew that Fremont was a big Humboldt fan, and that Muir and King both took on aspects of a Humboldtian ethos, but I didn&#8217;t know the links were so broad and deep. Will you be coming to HSS in Phoenix?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Clements</title>
		<link>http://timetoeatthedogs.com/2009/10/15/why-we-need-a-new-history-of-exploration/#comment-740</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil Clements]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, leaders of the California Geo Survey, the 40th Parallel Survey, and the early USGS had ties to Europe. Josiah Whitney completed his geological training on the continent. Clarence King attended lectures by Louis Agassiz (who studied under Humboldt in Paris) after the latter moved to Harvard.

King was also a student of James Dwight Dana at the Sheffield Scientific School, who himself spent four years aboard the United States Exploring Expedition with Charles Wilkes. 

From preliminary readings in the mid to late 19th century, what strikes me as most relevant to your article is that no one is talking about Lewis and Clark. If Lewis and Clark were such a strong cultural symbol, one would think folks like King would roll out their names in order to substantiate/justify/trumpet their own projects. But, in his book Mountaineering in the Sierra Nevada (1872), King only mentions Lewis once in passing and Clark not at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, leaders of the California Geo Survey, the 40th Parallel Survey, and the early USGS had ties to Europe. Josiah Whitney completed his geological training on the continent. Clarence King attended lectures by Louis Agassiz (who studied under Humboldt in Paris) after the latter moved to Harvard.</p>
<p>King was also a student of James Dwight Dana at the Sheffield Scientific School, who himself spent four years aboard the United States Exploring Expedition with Charles Wilkes. </p>
<p>From preliminary readings in the mid to late 19th century, what strikes me as most relevant to your article is that no one is talking about Lewis and Clark. If Lewis and Clark were such a strong cultural symbol, one would think folks like King would roll out their names in order to substantiate/justify/trumpet their own projects. But, in his book Mountaineering in the Sierra Nevada (1872), King only mentions Lewis once in passing and Clark not at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Robinson</title>
		<link>http://timetoeatthedogs.com/2009/10/15/why-we-need-a-new-history-of-exploration/#comment-739</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Robinson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Phil: Interesting. What&#039;s your take on the survey and USGS? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil: Interesting. What&#8217;s your take on the survey and USGS?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Clements</title>
		<link>http://timetoeatthedogs.com/2009/10/15/why-we-need-a-new-history-of-exploration/#comment-738</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil Clements]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 03:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Put differently, when nineteenth-century American explorers left home in pursuit of discovery, who did they see in their mind&#039;s eye?&quot;

An analysis of the Fortieth Parallel Survey (1867) and the early USGS (1879) might illuminate this issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Put differently, when nineteenth-century American explorers left home in pursuit of discovery, who did they see in their mind&#8217;s eye?&#8221;</p>
<p>An analysis of the Fortieth Parallel Survey (1867) and the early USGS (1879) might illuminate this issue.</p>
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