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		<title>By: &#8220;Frontier&#8221;: The F-Word &#124; Frontierwatch</title>
		<link>http://timetoeatthedogs.com/2009/02/17/the-f-word/#comment-561</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;Frontier&#8221;: The F-Word &#124; Frontierwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Michael Robinson&#8217;s blog, TimeToEatTheDogs.com: [Frederick Jackson Turner] linked the frontier to the story of American progress, arguing that it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Robinson</title>
		<link>http://timetoeatthedogs.com/2009/02/17/the-f-word/#comment-514</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew: thanks for the link. I&#039;ll check it out.</description>
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		<title>By: andrewstuhl</title>
		<link>http://timetoeatthedogs.com/2009/02/17/the-f-word/#comment-512</link>
		<dc:creator>andrewstuhl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.  As someone working on a place-based approach to history (in the Mackenzie Delta, Northwest Territories), I am intrigued by the discussion of landscape as both frontier and homeland.

I think historians have a methodological commitment to using &quot;actors&#039; categories&quot; in their research, to maintain a historical context for causal relationships.  Situating discourse in terms of how actors perceived their world helps avoid presentism and also helps engage with the concepts they used to understand themselves and others.  It seems &quot;frontier&quot; was/is an active word with multiple meanings--and if so, presents itself as a rich historical document in itself to be unpacked by us researchers.

Constance may be referring to Cronon&#039;s The Trouble with Wilderness article--http://www.williamcronon.net/writing/Trouble_with_Wilderness_Main.html.

All the best-
Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  As someone working on a place-based approach to history (in the Mackenzie Delta, Northwest Territories), I am intrigued by the discussion of landscape as both frontier and homeland.</p>
<p>I think historians have a methodological commitment to using &#8220;actors&#8217; categories&#8221; in their research, to maintain a historical context for causal relationships.  Situating discourse in terms of how actors perceived their world helps avoid presentism and also helps engage with the concepts they used to understand themselves and others.  It seems &#8220;frontier&#8221; was/is an active word with multiple meanings&#8211;and if so, presents itself as a rich historical document in itself to be unpacked by us researchers.</p>
<p>Constance may be referring to Cronon&#8217;s The Trouble with Wilderness article&#8211;http://www.williamcronon.net/writing/Trouble_with_Wilderness_Main.html.</p>
<p>All the best-<br />
Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: Center News &#187; Time to Eat the Dogs - Blog &#8220;The F-word&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Center News &#187; Time to Eat the Dogs - Blog &#8220;The F-word&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] On Science, History and Exploration February 17, 2009 By Michael Robinson Read the Blog [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Robinson</title>
		<link>http://timetoeatthedogs.com/2009/02/17/the-f-word/#comment-508</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Constance. I&#039;m familiar with Nature&#039;s Metropolis. Do you have recommendations for Cronon&#039;s other work dealing with the issue of the frontier?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Constance. I&#8217;m familiar with Nature&#8217;s Metropolis. Do you have recommendations for Cronon&#8217;s other work dealing with the issue of the frontier?</p>
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		<title>By: Constance Clark</title>
		<link>http://timetoeatthedogs.com/2009/02/17/the-f-word/#comment-507</link>
		<dc:creator>Constance Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with these comments and suggest that Cronon&#039;s discussion of the ramifications of frontier as a national mythology are really useful.  We can reject, with Patty Limerick, the presentist implications of taking Turner literally while still paying attention to the impact of the mythology.  It may not have been benign, but it mattered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with these comments and suggest that Cronon&#8217;s discussion of the ramifications of frontier as a national mythology are really useful.  We can reject, with Patty Limerick, the presentist implications of taking Turner literally while still paying attention to the impact of the mythology.  It may not have been benign, but it mattered.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Robinson</title>
		<link>http://timetoeatthedogs.com/2009/02/17/the-f-word/#comment-503</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is Michael. Yet I do understand how the term would be inappropriate for Western historians who seek to understand a set of places or social interactions more holistically, from multiple perspectives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is Michael. Yet I do understand how the term would be inappropriate for Western historians who seek to understand a set of places or social interactions more holistically, from multiple perspectives.</p>
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		<title>By: darwinsbulldog</title>
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		<dc:creator>darwinsbulldog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Frontier,&quot; despite our presentist perspective of looking back and judging what actions may or may not have been right or wrong, still carried a meaning for those who ventured into new territories, whether persons seeking new lives out west or scientists seeking new knowledge. So, wouldn&#039;t the use of the term &quot;frontier&quot; still be appropriate in historical scholarship?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Frontier,&#8221; despite our presentist perspective of looking back and judging what actions may or may not have been right or wrong, still carried a meaning for those who ventured into new territories, whether persons seeking new lives out west or scientists seeking new knowledge. So, wouldn&#8217;t the use of the term &#8220;frontier&#8221; still be appropriate in historical scholarship?</p>
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