<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:georss="http://www.georss.org/georss" xmlns:geo="http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#" xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Why Expeditions Fail</title>
	<atom:link href="http://timetoeatthedogs.com/2009/01/07/why-expeditions-fail/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://timetoeatthedogs.com/2009/01/07/why-expeditions-fail/</link>
	<description>On Science, History, and Exploration</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 12:46:47 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.com/</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: ArchAsa</title>
		<link>http://timetoeatthedogs.com/2009/01/07/why-expeditions-fail/#comment-422</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ArchAsa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://timetoeatthedogs.com/?p=1145#comment-422</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I emailed you some tips, though I only have a few. One thought - it is impossible to really understand the events leading up to the disaster without understanding the very long and amiably hostile competition btw Sweden and Norway, who were at the time in a Union the Norwegians chafed at. The Norwegians had succesful explorers - the Swedes were less fortunate in that area. That was not to be borne.

Compare it if you will to two relentlessly competitive siblings at the family dinner table. Beneath the familiarity and cordial manners the blades are sharpened... I can tell you, that has not changed in the past century, but now we focus on winter sports instead.

Nils Strindberg actually went to the same Senior High School as me - I still remember the memorial plaque in the hallway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I emailed you some tips, though I only have a few. One thought &#8211; it is impossible to really understand the events leading up to the disaster without understanding the very long and amiably hostile competition btw Sweden and Norway, who were at the time in a Union the Norwegians chafed at. The Norwegians had succesful explorers &#8211; the Swedes were less fortunate in that area. That was not to be borne.</p>
<p>Compare it if you will to two relentlessly competitive siblings at the family dinner table. Beneath the familiarity and cordial manners the blades are sharpened&#8230; I can tell you, that has not changed in the past century, but now we focus on winter sports instead.</p>
<p>Nils Strindberg actually went to the same Senior High School as me &#8211; I still remember the memorial plaque in the hallway.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Michael Robinson</title>
		<link>http://timetoeatthedogs.com/2009/01/07/why-expeditions-fail/#comment-410</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Robinson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 14:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://timetoeatthedogs.com/?p=1145#comment-410</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Asa, I know a bit about Andree because of my work on Walter Wellman but I had no idea that Andree was so aware of the problems with the expedition. This is of interest to me because I&#039;m working on a book about the ethos of exploration in America, 1800-present and I want to ground the project by looking first at other national styles of exploration. 

Gustav Holmberg (of the blog Imaginary Magnitude) recommended that I take a look at Urban Wråkberg ed., The centennial of S.A. Andrée’s north pole expedition (Stockholm, 1999). From what you say here, it&#039;s clear that Andree&#039;s an important way into this subject. If you have suggestions about the literature of  Scandinavian exploration, I&#039;d love to hear them, particularly works that place exploration in the context of broader society.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asa, I know a bit about Andree because of my work on Walter Wellman but I had no idea that Andree was so aware of the problems with the expedition. This is of interest to me because I&#8217;m working on a book about the ethos of exploration in America, 1800-present and I want to ground the project by looking first at other national styles of exploration. </p>
<p>Gustav Holmberg (of the blog Imaginary Magnitude) recommended that I take a look at Urban Wråkberg ed., The centennial of S.A. Andrée’s north pole expedition (Stockholm, 1999). From what you say here, it&#8217;s clear that Andree&#8217;s an important way into this subject. If you have suggestions about the literature of  Scandinavian exploration, I&#8217;d love to hear them, particularly works that place exploration in the context of broader society.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: ArchAsa</title>
		<link>http://timetoeatthedogs.com/2009/01/07/why-expeditions-fail/#comment-409</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ArchAsa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://timetoeatthedogs.com/?p=1145#comment-409</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[The most renowned failed expedition in Sweden is that of Andrée and crew to fly over the North Pole in a hot air balloon - of all things! This was in 1897 and the tragic circumstances are made worse by the fact that it did become clear at an early try in 1896 that the whole idea was completely impossible. One of the engineers that were to accompany Andrée realized that the balloon lost too much gas - what he didn&#039;t know was that the reality was worse: Andrée had actually secretely refilled the balloon at times to hide the fact that it was loosing gas so rapidly... 

This self-destructive stupidity was partly the result of an egomaniac backed into a corner by the nationalistic patos of his financial backers and the media. The complaining engineer was replaced with a younger less experienced one. The third member was the young photographer Nils Strindberg, distant cousin of August Strindberg, the writer.

They crashed on Svalbard and survived for some time after that, travelling over the ice. Their remains, the diary and the camera were found 33 years later by chance and they were brought home as national heroes. In modern times, the stupidity of the whole expedition, and the destructive behaviour of Andrée has been more in focus.

The human being is not just the only animal intrinsically aware of her own mortality - she is also the only animal that will act against all reason knowing this...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most renowned failed expedition in Sweden is that of Andrée and crew to fly over the North Pole in a hot air balloon &#8211; of all things! This was in 1897 and the tragic circumstances are made worse by the fact that it did become clear at an early try in 1896 that the whole idea was completely impossible. One of the engineers that were to accompany Andrée realized that the balloon lost too much gas &#8211; what he didn&#8217;t know was that the reality was worse: Andrée had actually secretely refilled the balloon at times to hide the fact that it was loosing gas so rapidly&#8230; </p>
<p>This self-destructive stupidity was partly the result of an egomaniac backed into a corner by the nationalistic patos of his financial backers and the media. The complaining engineer was replaced with a younger less experienced one. The third member was the young photographer Nils Strindberg, distant cousin of August Strindberg, the writer.</p>
<p>They crashed on Svalbard and survived for some time after that, travelling over the ice. Their remains, the diary and the camera were found 33 years later by chance and they were brought home as national heroes. In modern times, the stupidity of the whole expedition, and the destructive behaviour of Andrée has been more in focus.</p>
<p>The human being is not just the only animal intrinsically aware of her own mortality &#8211; she is also the only animal that will act against all reason knowing this&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://timetoeatthedogs.com/2009/01/07/why-expeditions-fail/#comment-405</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jessica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://timetoeatthedogs.com/?p=1145#comment-405</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Thanks -- I will check it out.

I&#039;ll give you a heads up when I head out to your exhibit in the spring. If you haven&#039;t already acquired a copy of Land of the White Death, I&#039;ll hand over mine -- maybe trade for a copy of YOUR new book? ;) 

Cya.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks &#8212; I will check it out.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll give you a heads up when I head out to your exhibit in the spring. If you haven&#8217;t already acquired a copy of Land of the White Death, I&#8217;ll hand over mine &#8212; maybe trade for a copy of YOUR new book? <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Cya.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Michael Robinson</title>
		<link>http://timetoeatthedogs.com/2009/01/07/why-expeditions-fail/#comment-403</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Robinson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://timetoeatthedogs.com/?p=1145#comment-403</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Jessica, thanks for the great suggestions. I&#039;ve heard a lot about Land of the White Death but have never read it. If you liked the Nova special, check out Russell&#039;s Franklin site if you haven&#039;t already. He&#039;s got a new book out called Arctic Spectacles. He also guest blogged here a few months ago about the latest Franklin Search exp.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jessica, thanks for the great suggestions. I&#8217;ve heard a lot about Land of the White Death but have never read it. If you liked the Nova special, check out Russell&#8217;s Franklin site if you haven&#8217;t already. He&#8217;s got a new book out called Arctic Spectacles. He also guest blogged here a few months ago about the latest Franklin Search exp.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://timetoeatthedogs.com/2009/01/07/why-expeditions-fail/#comment-402</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jessica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://timetoeatthedogs.com/?p=1145#comment-402</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Hey again,

There is an enormous difference in the way things were written by Americans and Canadians -- even the British -- versus the very factual, nonchalant observations recorded by people like Amundsen, Sverdrup (he was notorious for boring observations while traveling throughout Ellesmere Island), and even Nansen and Stefansson -- I love Farthest North, and Stefansson&#039;s adaptation to Inuit life was certainly extreme (he had more appreciation of their ways than almost anyone else).

Nonetheless, I think some of the more interesting tales come from unlikely folks, like the guy who wrote Kabloona....An African in Greenland...The Last Gentleman Explorer....etc. 

You might want to check out a book by Vladimir Albanov called &quot;Land of the White Death&quot; -- one of the few stories that involves prolonged experience in Franz Josef Land. It shows up everywhere on Amazon so if you&#039;ve already read it I won&#039;t be surprised. I actually, through reading Weird &amp; Tragic Shores, really came to adore Hall. He was so honest about his emotions - his capital letters and underlining and everything. I love that intensity! &#039;Land of the White Death&#039; has very somber, Russian storytelling technique - but they survived. It was an unbelievable novel.

I read that McPhee book as well and was less impressed than Coming Into the Country, which I just recently finished. I think one of my favorite Arctic books of all time is Barry Lopez&#039;s &#039;Arctic Dreams&#039; -- nothing whatsoever to do with exploration, but unbelievably written.

I am actually not in FBX yet -- still in upstate New York for the time being. I will be visiting your exhibit once the busy ski season is over.

P.S. - The Nova Franklin special is sweet. There is another cool box set thing called &quot;Arctic Mission&quot; that is on TV every so often and sold in cheap collectors&#039; tins.

Sorry for the long-windedness!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey again,</p>
<p>There is an enormous difference in the way things were written by Americans and Canadians &#8212; even the British &#8212; versus the very factual, nonchalant observations recorded by people like Amundsen, Sverdrup (he was notorious for boring observations while traveling throughout Ellesmere Island), and even Nansen and Stefansson &#8212; I love Farthest North, and Stefansson&#8217;s adaptation to Inuit life was certainly extreme (he had more appreciation of their ways than almost anyone else).</p>
<p>Nonetheless, I think some of the more interesting tales come from unlikely folks, like the guy who wrote Kabloona&#8230;.An African in Greenland&#8230;The Last Gentleman Explorer&#8230;.etc. </p>
<p>You might want to check out a book by Vladimir Albanov called &#8220;Land of the White Death&#8221; &#8212; one of the few stories that involves prolonged experience in Franz Josef Land. It shows up everywhere on Amazon so if you&#8217;ve already read it I won&#8217;t be surprised. I actually, through reading Weird &amp; Tragic Shores, really came to adore Hall. He was so honest about his emotions &#8211; his capital letters and underlining and everything. I love that intensity! &#8216;Land of the White Death&#8217; has very somber, Russian storytelling technique &#8211; but they survived. It was an unbelievable novel.</p>
<p>I read that McPhee book as well and was less impressed than Coming Into the Country, which I just recently finished. I think one of my favorite Arctic books of all time is Barry Lopez&#8217;s &#8216;Arctic Dreams&#8217; &#8212; nothing whatsoever to do with exploration, but unbelievably written.</p>
<p>I am actually not in FBX yet &#8212; still in upstate New York for the time being. I will be visiting your exhibit once the busy ski season is over.</p>
<p>P.S. &#8211; The Nova Franklin special is sweet. There is another cool box set thing called &#8220;Arctic Mission&#8221; that is on TV every so often and sold in cheap collectors&#8217; tins.</p>
<p>Sorry for the long-windedness!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Michael Robinson</title>
		<link>http://timetoeatthedogs.com/2009/01/07/why-expeditions-fail/#comment-401</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Robinson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://timetoeatthedogs.com/?p=1145#comment-401</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Michael, the post was inspired by some modern climbing accounts I&#039;ve read recently, specifically Steph Davis&#039;s book High Infatuation and Jim Curran&#039;s book about K2, Triumph and Tragedy. 

I didn&#039;t know they were airing the NOVA Franklin special again but I saw it first time around. Russell Potter, prof at University of Rhode Island, is a friend of mine - a good guy with wide interests. In fact, I&#039;ve got a couple links to his work on the right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, the post was inspired by some modern climbing accounts I&#8217;ve read recently, specifically Steph Davis&#8217;s book High Infatuation and Jim Curran&#8217;s book about K2, Triumph and Tragedy. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know they were airing the NOVA Franklin special again but I saw it first time around. Russell Potter, prof at University of Rhode Island, is a friend of mine &#8211; a good guy with wide interests. In fact, I&#8217;ve got a couple links to his work on the right.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Michael Robinson</title>
		<link>http://timetoeatthedogs.com/2009/01/07/why-expeditions-fail/#comment-400</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Robinson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://timetoeatthedogs.com/?p=1145#comment-400</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Jessica, I agree with you about Hall: he was naive in certain ways and inflexible about ideas, decision making, etc. At the same time, he was almost revolutionary in how he adapted to life with the Inuit of Cumberland Sound. Certainly he pushed the envelope in this regard, at least for Euro-Americans, who were pretty dismissive of Inuit ways of life. 

On the comparison between Nordic and Anglo-Americans - this is very interesting. I don&#039;t know enough about Amundsen to say...though it always seemed to me that Nansen was a fascinating character: explorer, scientist, man of culture, politician. Maybe there&#039;s an article in this somewhere - a comparison of different national styles of Arctic exploration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jessica, I agree with you about Hall: he was naive in certain ways and inflexible about ideas, decision making, etc. At the same time, he was almost revolutionary in how he adapted to life with the Inuit of Cumberland Sound. Certainly he pushed the envelope in this regard, at least for Euro-Americans, who were pretty dismissive of Inuit ways of life. </p>
<p>On the comparison between Nordic and Anglo-Americans &#8211; this is very interesting. I don&#8217;t know enough about Amundsen to say&#8230;though it always seemed to me that Nansen was a fascinating character: explorer, scientist, man of culture, politician. Maybe there&#8217;s an article in this somewhere &#8211; a comparison of different national styles of Arctic exploration.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: darwinsbulldog</title>
		<link>http://timetoeatthedogs.com/2009/01/07/why-expeditions-fail/#comment-398</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[darwinsbulldog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://timetoeatthedogs.com/?p=1145#comment-398</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Were you inspired to do this post by Tuesday night&#039;s NOVA episode on PBS about Franklin&#039;s failed expedition:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/arctic/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were you inspired to do this post by Tuesday night&#8217;s NOVA episode on PBS about Franklin&#8217;s failed expedition:<br />
<a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/arctic/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/arctic/</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://timetoeatthedogs.com/2009/01/07/why-expeditions-fail/#comment-397</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jessica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://timetoeatthedogs.com/?p=1145#comment-397</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure you&#039;ve read this already, but &quot;Weird and Tragic Shores&quot; really outlined the sheer ignorance of Hall. Maybe &quot;ignorance&quot; is the wrong word. He was so naive. Always jumping to conclusions. While people link Franklin have their own circumstances, some people like Hall seem to set themselves up for failure before they even embark, with ill-conceived hopes and dreams.

That said, I think stores of Franklin, Hall, etc are much more interesting than sometimes those of Amundsen and Sverdrup have that Nordic &quot;observation but no personality&quot; factor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ve read this already, but &#8220;Weird and Tragic Shores&#8221; really outlined the sheer ignorance of Hall. Maybe &#8220;ignorance&#8221; is the wrong word. He was so naive. Always jumping to conclusions. While people link Franklin have their own circumstances, some people like Hall seem to set themselves up for failure before they even embark, with ill-conceived hopes and dreams.</p>
<p>That said, I think stores of Franklin, Hall, etc are much more interesting than sometimes those of Amundsen and Sverdrup have that Nordic &#8220;observation but no personality&#8221; factor.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

